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. >> he's coming back to you guys and saying, don't look at me as the villain, i'm trying to protect us, longer term for you. do you believe that? >> i believe that he believes that, absolutely. i mean, if there's any good news here, it's this is a state municipal government issue, not a corporate issue. corporations have dealt with this over the past ten years and many said guess what, no more pension benefits of the now, when they did that, they said those of you who have pension benefits you're going to get what you were promised, we put that money in, if we didn't we have to figure out how to do it we can't yank it away from you and that's the big battle is going to be in the state and local governments, is figuring out-- if you've made a promise, the unions are absolutely right to sue to, to litigate the complaint, whatever they can to see that that money is paid. i would say it's a legit battle, neil. and i believe that the legit battle is going forward. >> neil: promises made and promises broken in the private world though, too, and adam was speaking about companies that focus on
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